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    Angel Michael

    Ellen was an anti-Trinitarian so the concepts in DA would naturally be, anti-Trinitarian. The understanding of this aspect of creature-christ's life during the life and ministry of Ellen White was that Christ was elevated by flesh flesh Father and in order to minister to the angels...
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    The Arian Creature-Christ Teaching - How Do Seventh-day Adventists define it?

    I believe in One God without body and parts, this One God is a single, simple, Spiritual Substance and within this Substance there eternally exist three Persons, God the Father, God the Son & God the Holy Spirit. There is One Mind, One Power, etc. There is not three separate persons all made...
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    The Arian Creature-Christ Teaching - How Do Seventh-day Adventists define it?

    Rob, and any other SDA interested / reading this thread. When asked about the potentiality of God eternally ceasing to exist due to a fault in Character the prevailing wisdom of the SDA Church is well articulated by Rob. I applaud Rob for being honest about this - it generally takes much...
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    Angel Michael

    Doesn't Seventh-day Adventist theology affirm that Christ was turned into an angel between the time of Lucifer's initial rebellion in heaven and remained an archangel up until the point of the Incarnation? While somewhat complicated the teaching can be studied at the following link...
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    The Arian Creature-Christ Teaching - How Do Seventh-day Adventists define it?

    Again, that's as anti-Trinitarian as it gets Rob. Mormons have the identical understanding as you do yet Mormons are very upfront about their church being NON-Trinitarian. I'm perplexed as to why Seventh-day Adventists don't adopt the Mormon position of honesty in this area. A female dog is a...
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    The Arian Creature-Christ Teaching - How Do Seventh-day Adventists define it?

    Hi Rob, I'll do my best to be charitable and not be too long winded here. If I'm not mistaken you said Christ was "part of the Godhead", right? If Arius (& Ellen White's) hypothetical scenario of the Son of God sinning would have been realized you, Ellen & Arius all affirm that part of the...
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    The Arian Creature-Christ Teaching - How Do Seventh-day Adventists define it?

    The anti-Trinitarian Pioneers developed "THE PERSONALITY OF GOD" Doctrine and defined it with precise language so there would be no ambiguity by what they were teaching. Ellen White confirmed their beliefs as correct with her prophetic gift. After years of hammering this Doctrine into...
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    The Arian Creature-Christ Teaching - How Do Seventh-day Adventists define it?

    Chief, I appreciate your thoughtful answers. I'd like to go slow here to make sure I'm understanding what you're saying. I'll share a very short video of the Trinitarian concept of God, Before we proceed could let me know if you agree with what this video is saying?
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    The Arian Creature-Christ Teaching - How Do Seventh-day Adventists define it?

    Here is the 1st part of your post. Seventh-day Adventist Dogma views Jesus as a man while from the Incarnation onward - this isn't like what the Christadelphians believe - it is what the Christadelphians believe. SDA's openly affirm the Kenotic Heresy whereby they teach that Christ "emptied...
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    The Arian Creature-Christ Teaching - How Do Seventh-day Adventists define it?

    Elder Canright rough drafted the Personality of God article and then he [Canright] worshipped at the family altar of Ellen & James White and subsequent to that Ellen & James White "revised" Canright's article so that it read the way it did in that Sabbath Herald. Below is the link to the...
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    The Arian Creature-Christ Teaching - How Do Seventh-day Adventists define it?

    Rob, take a deep breath and relax. The following should help you understand where I'm coming from. Ellen White is DIRECTLY responsible for that article in the Sabbath Herald - the Sabbath Herald itself boasts of this fact. The "PERSONALITY OF GOD" was, according to Ellen White a Pillar...
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    The Arian Creature-Christ Teaching - How Do Seventh-day Adventists define it?

    Hi Chief, you said: I'm attempting to sort out what you said above. Myself, I could word what you said in the same way. The part I'm trying to understand is the Adventist teaching that the Son of God is a separate "Being" from the God The Father and that hypothetical situations within...
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    The Arian Creature-Christ Teaching - How Do Seventh-day Adventists define it?

    If the Adventist Arian mutant idea wasn't true it would be silly. I can't be sure until you confirm it but I'd suspect that if I asked you what percentage chance could exist that for any reason God the Father could eternally cease to exist? Say, The Father was taking a tour one day somewhere in...
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    The Arian Creature-Christ Teaching - How Do Seventh-day Adventists define it?

    A creature can make their own independent decisions. Lucifer was created "perfect" and through free will sinned against God. Adam and Eve were also created perfect and through their free will disobeyed God. I don't know if Seventh-day Adventists reject the Doctrine of Original Sin but the...
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    The Arian Creature-Christ Teaching - How Do Seventh-day Adventists define it?

    Hi Chief and Rob — thanks again for taking the time to engage with my question. As Rob (and I) noted earlier, Christadelphians hold to a “creature-Christ” doctrine similar to what is found in several Adventist-tradition groups. Historically, this position aligns closely with the teaching of...
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    The Arian Creature-Christ Teaching - How Do Seventh-day Adventists define it?

    I've had a few discussions with members of Adventist groups (Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh-day Adventists & Christadelphians) and have come to understand that people within the Adventist Faith Tradition believe / argue for the creature-christ doctrine of Arius (4th century). I was hopeful someone...
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